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I thought South africa was a worthy disscussion to make heres is information about the counrty.

 

 

 

The earliest representatives of South Africa's diversity – at least the earliest we can name – were the San and Khoekhoe peoples (otherwise known individually as the Bushmen and Hottentots or Khoikhoi; collectively called the Khoisan). Both were resident in the southern tip of the continent for thousands of years before its written history began with the arrival of European seafarers.

 

And before that, modern human beings had lived here for more than 100 000 years –indeed, the country is an archaeological treasure chest.

 

The hunter-gatherer San ranged widely over the area; the pastoral Khoekhoe lived in those comparatively well-watered areas, chiefly along the southern and western coastal strips, where adequate grazing was to be found. So it was with the latter that the early European settlers first came into contact – much to the disadvantage of the Khoekhoe.

 

As a result of diseases such as smallpox imported by the Europeans, of some assimilation with the settlers and especially with the slaves who were to arrive in later years, and of some straightforward extermination, the Khoekhoe have effectively disappeared as an identifiable group.

 

 

Other long-term inhabitants of the area that was to become South Africa were the Bantu-speaking people who had moved into the north-eastern and eastern regions from the north, starting at least many hundreds of years before the arrival of the Europeans.

 

The Thulamela site in the northern KrugerNational Park is estimated to have been first occupied in the 13th century. The ruins of Mapungubwe, where artefacts from as far away as China have been found, are the remains of a large trading settlement thought to stretch back to the 12th century. Agro-pastoralists, these people brought with them an Iron Age culture and sophisticated socio-political systems.

 

Settlers and slaves

 

 

Their existence was of little import to Jan van Riebeeck and the 90 men who landed with him in 1652 at the Cape of Good Hope, under instructions by the Dutch East India Company to build a fort and develop a vegetable garden for the benefit of ships on the Eastern trade route.

 

Their relationship with the Khoekhoe was initially one of bartering, but a mutual animosity developed over issues such as cattle theft – and, no doubt, the growing suspicion on the part of the Khoekhoe that Van Riebeeck's outpost was becoming a threat to them.

 

Perhaps the first sign that the threat was to be realised came in 1657 when nine men, released from their contracts, were given land to farm. In the same year the first slaves were imported. By the time Van Riebeeck left in 1662, 250 white people lived in what was beginning to look like a developing colony.

 

Later governors of the CapeColony encouraged immigration, and in the early 1700s independent farmers called trekboers began to push north and east. Inevitably, the Khoisan started literally losing ground, in addition to being pressed by difficult circumstances into service for the colonists.

 

 

The descendants of some of the Khoisan, slaves from elsewhere in Africaand the East, and white colonists formed the basis of the mixed-race group now known as "coloured". It is noteworthy that the slaves from the East brought a potent new ingredient to South Africa's racial and cultural mix, especially with their religion of Islam.

 

 

 

Discussion started by blackstar , on 286 days ago
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MauriceSmith
Zuma?! You mean the guy who visited the place of the atrocity, told the grieving that he felt their pain and that he set up a commission to look into it, then allowed the victims to be charged with the murder that the police committed? Excuse me for saying so, but he seems to be pissing on his own people!
266 days ago
 
blackstar
By the sounds of it the poor need a revolution.
266 days ago
 
blackstar
Good point what an earth the leader Jacob doing in all the rubbish.
266 days ago
 
MauriceSmith
Common what?! The people in power don't care about that. You would have thought that THAT would have been one of the first things to go, when Blacks came to power. Its not even a 'proper' law! By that, I mean it's not as if it was a Criminal or Civil law; it was a doctrine used by the Boers against the Blacks. In other words, what is called 'Common Law'.

If they are not careful, there could be an uprising against the ruling government, by the people who voted for them!!!

Its another case of an African government pandering to what the International community want, instead of putting their own people first.

One last thing, Nelson Mandela (Madiba)knew how to look after his own people and deal with the International community, as did Thabo Mbeki. I have to say that Jacob Zuma doesn't seem to have a clue (or care) about putting his own people first. A boon for the International community, but a crying shame for the South African people
267 days ago
 
blackstar
Just read MADNESS. you get shot at collegues killed yet you get arrested?! As you said Maurice they using the laws the whites used against blacks and now it been used against themshelves. Why hasn't common sense come into this?
267 days ago
 
MauriceSmith
I think you will find that they are. look here...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-19424484
267 days ago
 
blackstar
Maurice I hear what your saying, but don't know? Has there been a new recent development? No ones gettin done for the killings?
267 days ago
 
MauriceSmith
I think its an absolute disgrace (that's the clean version of what I actually think) that the current Black authorities in South Africa are using Draconian laws, that were created by the former white overlords, to victimise their own Black people by charging them for with the murder of their mining colleagues, while the police perpetrators that committed the deed, get away with doing the murders with impunity! Its another example of governments using laws that they previously fought against for their own ends, when they get to a position of power, instead of repealing the laws and doing the right thing by their own people.
267 days ago
 
MauriceSmith
I'm not so sure I agree with that last statement. When I lived there, I realised that the SA defence force is pretty sophisticated and powerful. I think any country trying to invade/ take over SA would be hugely surprised, were they to try. Remember, during the Apartheid years, the world publicly spoke about how inhumane the SA government was, but privately gave them the latest and most deadly weaponry to subjugate the indigenous Black population. When Africans got their country back, they also inherited that advanced weaponry. BTW, dismantling weapons that protect your country can be construed as treason and I assume that perpetrators would dealt with harshly. Whilst I was there, I heard that the Nelson Mandela (Madiba) government voluntarily gave them up, but I suppose the truth will never be know.
270 days ago
 
blackstar
Maurice which is why countrys are so egger to have nuclear weapons to protect their sovereignty I.e Libya and Iran. As you say today any country with a decent army could take over south Africa lol where as if they was a nuclear power different ball game against the Zionist.
270 days ago
 
MauriceSmith
You don't have to have nuclear weapons to be a superpower, methinks. SA pretty much has the world by the balls, where Platinum, diamonds, uranium (for nuclear power stations & weapons) and titanium are concerned, restrict or withdraw them & you'd see how powerful SA was. Mind you, the US would probably try and make an excuse to go in there militarily, to get the resources by force
270 days ago
 
blackstar
M I dont know If you saw my post prev but the whites dismantled south Africa's nuclear weapons first before they handled it over to the blacks as they did not want a black country with nuclear weapons which is shocking. Ref your super power comment.
270 days ago
 
MauriceSmith
Ask yourself a question. Why do you think that countries like Australia and Canada ask for experienced and qualified people to come to their respective countries, so that they can help to progression, but South Africa (which has more of a need for such immigration) ignores and/or declines to do the same? I say that the likes of the US, UK, China, Russia and the Euro zone probably actively try to prevent it from happening because they fear a strong Black country. There are plenty of rejected Black professionals in this country who would jump at the chance to make something of themselves and make a positive contribution to the South African society and economy. If that happened I reckon, with the natural resources South Africa has, it would become a power that they rest of the world couldn't ignore and would have to take seriously. Furthermore, I think it could kickstart a renaissance in Africa, as other countries followed South Africa's lead. Nice dream eh?
270 days ago
 
MauriceSmith
I lived in South Africa for 5 years (95-2000) and I saw a huge transition from White supremacy to Black supremacy. At that time there was a atmosphere of hope amongst the Black majority but, sadly, there were also the seeds of 'following the west and fitting in with the West' by the politicians. They quickly created a Black 'middle class', who became more concerned with the little trinkets and pieces of silver that they had been allowed to accumulate, rather than the plight of their brethren who helped them to get their in the first place. Unfortunately, it seems that selfish, capitalist greed has won out. But, the way things seem to be going there (Platinum minors' strike and the State reprisal), there's going to be another revolution, if the voice of the unrepresented masses is not heard and addressed
271 days ago
 
MauriceSmith
...not to forget europe and UK in particular!
271 days ago
 
laidbacklibra
i find that statement so depressing, not aimed at you MauriceSmith just because lets face it, that statement you made about SA's resources could be said about any number of african countries, for their resources from oil to gold. All the major economies are now trying to get a piece of africa from india and china to russia and the usa.
271 days ago
 
MauriceSmith
Why do you think the world didn't allow SA to descend into chaotic civil war like they do the rest of Africa? The world gets most of the rare precious metals from there (not to forget precious stones) and they know the world economy would collapse if there was a sudden and sustained lack of gold, platinum, titanium, uranium, aluminium, copper, tin, etc., etc. What we actually need is a politically and economically astute President of SA, who will actually look after his/her own people first and can tell the 'West' to go & do one, if they don't like it. Unfortunately, because human nature is, mostly, to fill your own pockets first, I can't see that happening any time soon.
271 days ago
 
laidbacklibra
nice piece of history, why have you left out apartied? surely the affects of this is whats having a major impact on the modern day society now, why it is struggling to move forward with a population that is 80% black and yet the white minority continue to get richer.
271 days ago
 
blackstar
We need a modern day robin hood, kofi annin quit his job the other day he should go to south Africa, an sought them out.
271 days ago
 
blackstar
M it's morally wrong 40%!!! Our brothers and sisters working their asses off in them mines and probably getting peanuts for it, you couldn't make it up. Shame on the powers at be for letting it be this way.
271 days ago
 
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